Comments on: Sonic With a Gun https://fort90.com/sonic-with-a-gun/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=sonic-with-a-gun The homebase of Matthew Hawkins Fri, 15 Mar 2024 13:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Jason https://fort90.com/sonic-with-a-gun/#comment-1178 Jason Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:34:52 +0000 http://www.fort90.com/journal/?p=189#comment-1178 YES! I just got wet. YES! I just got wet.

]]> By: Matt https://fort90.com/sonic-with-a-gun/#comment-1174 Matt Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:48:17 +0000 http://www.fort90.com/journal/?p=189#comment-1174 Jason is correct. PC games and console games are indeed quite different things, sharing more dissimilarities than similarities. But the comparison is understandably tempting to make, even with someone who already knows that they're apples and oranges. Course, many people have wanted to see the two merge since forever, and only now have a few parties been at all successful. As a critic and designer, I've always been paranoid that I'm not a good one since I'm not at all comfortable with PC gaming. And once I realized that I never will be since... I really don't have to... I've been at peace with myself. But as you can see, old biases often live on, even when you think your over them. Though I still say that in many ways, PC game makers (or producer or whatever... the fact that I'm not familiar with a term shows my unfamiliarity I'd like to think) are indeed lazy, but it's not their fault. And maybe I don't mean lazy in the traditional sense? How's that for discourse, baby! Jason is correct. PC games and console games are indeed quite different things, sharing more dissimilarities than similarities. But the comparison is understandably tempting to make, even with someone who already knows that they’re apples and oranges.

Course, many people have wanted to see the two merge since forever, and only now have a few parties been at all successful. As a critic and designer, I’ve always been paranoid that I’m not a good one since I’m not at all comfortable with PC gaming. And once I realized that I never will be since… I really don’t have to… I’ve been at peace with myself. But as you can see, old biases often live on, even when you think your over them.

Though I still say that in many ways, PC game makers (or producer or whatever… the fact that I’m not familiar with a term shows my unfamiliarity I’d like to think) are indeed lazy, but it’s not their fault. And maybe I don’t mean lazy in the traditional sense?

How’s that for discourse, baby!

]]> By: David Goldstein https://fort90.com/sonic-with-a-gun/#comment-1173 David Goldstein Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:09:49 +0000 http://www.fort90.com/journal/?p=189#comment-1173 Jason, I think you just bought yourself a panel ;-) -David Jason, I think you just bought yourself a panel ;-)

-David

]]> By: Jason https://fort90.com/sonic-with-a-gun/#comment-1172 Jason Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:26:12 +0000 http://www.fort90.com/journal/?p=189#comment-1172 Bah! PC gaming and console gaming are not the same animal, nor are the people playing them. Might as well toss in board game players if you want to belabour the point. Dedicated PC gamers were playing over networks long before XBOX Live users. Keyboards have cropped up unsuccessully on consoles (different animals). Never has a platform or fighting game made waves on the PC. I had full control over my X-Wing fighter and became Larry Laffer because of a keyboard! Blah, blah, blah. There's no use in whittling out the differences for an 'Us vs. Them' war. Why not compare and contrast the reason why Super Mario Bros. was just as an awesomely engrossing experience as Police Quest? Otherwise everyone will just keep their blinders on and ride the rail to boredom. No, "PC game makers" aren't "inherenly" lazy. And what is a PC "game maker" in that statement anyway? I love discourse. Bah! PC gaming and console gaming are not the same animal, nor are the people playing them. Might as well toss in board game players if you want to belabour the point. Dedicated PC gamers were playing over networks long before XBOX Live users. Keyboards have cropped up unsuccessully on consoles (different animals). Never has a platform or fighting game made waves on the PC. I had full control over my X-Wing fighter and became Larry Laffer because of a keyboard! Blah, blah, blah.

There’s no use in whittling out the differences for an ‘Us vs. Them’ war. Why not compare and contrast the reason why Super Mario Bros. was just as an awesomely engrossing experience as Police Quest? Otherwise everyone will just keep their blinders on and ride the rail to boredom.

No, “PC game makers” aren’t “inherenly” lazy. And what is a PC “game maker” in that statement anyway?

I love discourse.

]]> By: Jake https://fort90.com/sonic-with-a-gun/#comment-1171 Jake Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:43:31 +0000 http://www.fort90.com/journal/?p=189#comment-1171 I just got done watching the trailer for Shadow the Hedgehog. Ugh... you're right, it's time to let that series die. What are they thinking? I just got done watching the trailer for Shadow the Hedgehog. Ugh… you’re right, it’s time to let that series die. What are they thinking?

]]> By: Matt https://fort90.com/sonic-with-a-gun/#comment-1170 Matt Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:40:08 +0000 http://www.fort90.com/journal/?p=189#comment-1170 I'm pretty positive that Sega is the only folks who even uses the term "extreme" anymore. I’m pretty positive that Sega is the only folks who even uses the term “extreme” anymore.

]]> By: dave https://fort90.com/sonic-with-a-gun/#comment-1169 dave Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:32:22 +0000 http://www.fort90.com/journal/?p=189#comment-1169 Sonic Team is no Miyamoto. Sonic is a kids game. All attempts at edging things up has always been a mistake. And adding guns just crosses the line. Being extreme--and being a killer are two different things. I continue to lose faith in videogames. Sonic Team is no Miyamoto.

Sonic is a kids game. All attempts at edging things up has always been a mistake.
And adding guns just crosses the line. Being extreme–and being a killer are two different things.

I continue to lose faith in videogames.

]]> By: David Goldstein https://fort90.com/sonic-with-a-gun/#comment-1168 David Goldstein Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:42:21 +0000 http://www.fort90.com/journal/?p=189#comment-1168 PC Games: <i>No One Lives Forever</i>, to start, and the sequel <i>A Spy In H.A.R.M.'s Way</i>. <i>TRON 2.0</i>. <i>X-Wing Alliance</i> and <i>Secret Weapons over Normandy</i>. <i>Sid Meier's Pirates!</i>. <i>Evil Genius</i>. <i>Freedom Force</i>. The <i>Dark Forces / Jedi Knight</i> series. <i>Homeworld</i>. <i>StarCraft</i>. The last is a prime example: It beat the pants off the more-technologically-Advanced-yet-less-playable <i>Total Annihiliation</i>. And while several of them have console ports, I'm sorry but stuff gets lost in translation to lower-res screens (especially for strategy games) and the lower button count of a gamepad vs. a keyboard (especially for flight games). And that list of titles is from among my recent personal favorites. I am by no means the Ultimate PC Gamer. There just aren't enough hours in the day or money on the tree for that. Yes, 99% of the First-Person Shooters are competing on the basis of greater flashiness and/or realism or big-name franchises. They're competing only really with each other, and how well they Leverage New Techology is often the only edge they have in that competition. There <i>are</i> and handful of games in the category that actually concentrate on the story and gameplay. <i>Star Raiders</i> for the Atari 2600: piece of crap. <i>Star Raiders</i> for the Atari 800 (the one with the keyboard): the greatest game ever written in 8KB or less, and you will never convince me otherwise. -David PC Games: No One Lives Forever, to start, and the sequel A Spy In H.A.R.M.’s Way. TRON 2.0. X-Wing Alliance and Secret Weapons over Normandy. Sid Meier’s Pirates!. Evil Genius. Freedom Force. The Dark Forces / Jedi Knight series. Homeworld. StarCraft. The last is a prime example: It beat the pants off the more-technologically-Advanced-yet-less-playable Total Annihiliation. And while several of them have console ports, I’m sorry but stuff gets lost in translation to lower-res screens (especially for strategy games) and the lower button count of a gamepad vs. a keyboard (especially for flight games).

And that list of titles is from among my recent personal favorites. I am by no means the Ultimate PC Gamer. There just aren’t enough hours in the day or money on the tree for that.

Yes, 99% of the First-Person Shooters are competing on the basis of greater flashiness and/or realism or big-name franchises. They’re competing only really with each other, and how well they Leverage New Techology is often the only edge they have in that competition. There are and handful of games in the category that actually concentrate on the story and gameplay.

Star Raiders for the Atari 2600: piece of crap. Star Raiders for the Atari 800 (the one with the keyboard): the greatest game ever written in 8KB or less, and you will never convince me otherwise.

-David

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