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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I won&#039;t argue with you since you simply saw things one way and I another. I will agree that I too was disappointed by the tunnel scene and was expecting something more, but I&#039;ve tried my best to not compare the two films too much.

Plus seeing the kids walk out in the end was indeed a downer, but I would have to imagine that in this day and age, Burton almost had to show that the kids were &quot;alright&quot;. Especially since some of them went out in such gruesome ways (like Violet).

Also as I sorta said before, I liked Wilder in the first flick. Both him and Depp approached the roles differently and both are successful in my mind. And I certainly didn&#039;t think the &quot;seems rehearsed&quot; was some knock on the third wall, but I suppose I can see someone thinking it was.

Hey, at least we both agreed that the Oompa Loompas rocked!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I won&#8217;t argue with you since you simply saw things one way and I another. I will agree that I too was disappointed by the tunnel scene and was expecting something more, but I&#8217;ve tried my best to not compare the two films too much.</p>
<p>Plus seeing the kids walk out in the end was indeed a downer, but I would have to imagine that in this day and age, Burton almost had to show that the kids were &#8220;alright&#8221;. Especially since some of them went out in such gruesome ways (like Violet).</p>
<p>Also as I sorta said before, I liked Wilder in the first flick. Both him and Depp approached the roles differently and both are successful in my mind. And I certainly didn&#8217;t think the &#8220;seems rehearsed&#8221; was some knock on the third wall, but I suppose I can see someone thinking it was.</p>
<p>Hey, at least we both agreed that the Oompa Loompas rocked!</p>
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		<title>By: jasonC</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new Wonka is far inferior IMO:

-Within Wilder&#039;s unpredictability there&#039;s a consistency to his moral core. He also offers up nuggets of wisdom, makes jokes and sings for himself, and, in general, is a truer portrayal of one who has come out of self-imposed exile. Depp&#039;s behavior is unpredictable, but random, surreal, and any sadness he harbors is played to comedic effect. Depp&#039;s Wonka is a very thin portrayal and, as a character, is no better than the children who aren&#039;t fit to inherit his life&#039;s work.

-Original left more to the imagination (LoompaLand, you don&#039;t see the other kids march out fine at the end).

-Oompa Loompa songs in the first movie are cautionary tales more akin to 
Grimm&#039;s stories. The new ones would be at home on MTV (though I did find them funny).

-Charlie actually earns the inheritance in the first, through an act of sacrifice and apology (which I didn&#039;t feel was &quot;tacked on&quot; or dragged the movie down). In the new one...he&#039;s just lucky and loves his family. Also, as soon as they enter the factory in the new movie, he is almost completely non-existent...isn&#039;t that his name in the title? I saw Neverland...they totally underused his incredible acting talent.

-I can&#039;t believe Burton couldn&#039;t think of an interesting take on the infamous tunnel scene.

-Too many winks at the camera (&quot;why did the OL&#039;s know Gloomps name&quot;, &quot;seems rehearsed&quot; etc.).

-Even my wife (who has never seen the original) thought this one lacked a heart and fell apart in the last 25 minutes.

Highlights IMO:
-&quot;Don&#039;t touch that squirrels nuts! He&#039;ll go crazy!&quot;
-Almost everything up to the entrance to the factory felt fresh.
-The guy who played all the Oompa Loompa&#039;s was great and creepy (in a Robert Blake way).
-Corpse Bride trailer.:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new Wonka is far inferior IMO:</p>
<p>-Within Wilder&#8217;s unpredictability there&#8217;s a consistency to his moral core. He also offers up nuggets of wisdom, makes jokes and sings for himself, and, in general, is a truer portrayal of one who has come out of self-imposed exile. Depp&#8217;s behavior is unpredictable, but random, surreal, and any sadness he harbors is played to comedic effect. Depp&#8217;s Wonka is a very thin portrayal and, as a character, is no better than the children who aren&#8217;t fit to inherit his life&#8217;s work.</p>
<p>-Original left more to the imagination (LoompaLand, you don&#8217;t see the other kids march out fine at the end).</p>
<p>-Oompa Loompa songs in the first movie are cautionary tales more akin to<br />
Grimm&#8217;s stories. The new ones would be at home on MTV (though I did find them funny).</p>
<p>-Charlie actually earns the inheritance in the first, through an act of sacrifice and apology (which I didn&#8217;t feel was &#8220;tacked on&#8221; or dragged the movie down). In the new one&#8230;he&#8217;s just lucky and loves his family. Also, as soon as they enter the factory in the new movie, he is almost completely non-existent&#8230;isn&#8217;t that his name in the title? I saw Neverland&#8230;they totally underused his incredible acting talent.</p>
<p>-I can&#8217;t believe Burton couldn&#8217;t think of an interesting take on the infamous tunnel scene.</p>
<p>-Too many winks at the camera (&#8220;why did the OL&#8217;s know Gloomps name&#8221;, &#8220;seems rehearsed&#8221; etc.).</p>
<p>-Even my wife (who has never seen the original) thought this one lacked a heart and fell apart in the last 25 minutes.</p>
<p>Highlights IMO:<br />
-&#8221;Don&#8217;t touch that squirrels nuts! He&#8217;ll go crazy!&#8221;<br />
-Almost everything up to the entrance to the factory felt fresh.<br />
-The guy who played all the Oompa Loompa&#8217;s was great and creepy (in a Robert Blake way).<br />
-Corpse Bride trailer.:)</p>
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